3 No. 4 - May to August 1991
rare photo of Joseph Carl Lobsinger at his tavern. From a tin type
courtesy of Irma Toffler of Coral Gables, Florida. Joseph Carl Lobsinger
was one of the sons of "Count" Joseph Lobsinger of Langatte,
France. Most of the descendants of Joseph Carl Lobsinger are clustered
in the Michigan area.
In The Park
invaded Churchill Park in Cambridge, ON., in June for an impromptu
reunion of the descendants of "Count" Joseph Lobsinger.
Unfortunately, we don't remember faces well enough to identify everyone,
but Lori Lobsinger is wearing the Mischigan shirt, and her mom Irene
is in front of the tree. Joan Luciani is to the right of Irene,
and the lady to the right in the print blouse is Kate Kraehling.
and I were lucky enough to escape from the weekly newspaper business
long enough to take a 10 day trip to Ontario in June.
(Lobsinger) and Len Walsh invited us to stop by their home in Brantford,
and Teresa suggested a "family" picnic in a park in Cambridge.
I knew Teresa had a couple of sisters in the area, and they had
a few kids... and maybe 10 or 15 folks would get together at this
Teresa doesn't do things half way. She and her sister Anne Margrett
and another cousin, Irene Lobsinger went through a bunch of Ontario
telephone books, and sent out flyers to all the Lobsingers she could
find, inviting them to the party.
were astounded to find about 30 families represented at Churchill
Park on Saturday June 15th... It was quite an experience to put
faces with so many of the names we've had on our mailing list...
as well as meet some entirely new ones. We had a wonderful day and
only wish we had more time to visit with each of those who managed
to take the time to attend.Because
we didn't know any of these people - at least by face - we wore
a red ribbon to identify ourselves as Lobsingers. We found out that
most of the people there didn't know each other! All of them were
wearing red ribbons to signify the relationship. I hope everyone
had as much fun meeting everyone else as we did.
a visit at Churchill Park in Cambridge, ON., were, from left, Sheila
(Brady) Lobsinger, Susan (Roberts) Lobsinger, Robert Lobsinger,
and Dr. William Lobsinger.
of the people attending were: Sandy and Art Frensch, of Kitchener;
Joan Luciani of Brantford; Irene and her daughter Lori Lobsinger
of Brantford, Kathleen Kraehling from Cambridge; Clement and Lavina
Lobsinger and Beverly of Hamilton; Valerie Young and Jimmy of Hamilton;
Edna and Judy Schaefer of Kitchener; Cecilia Karges from Waterloo;
Nick and Irene Nicholson from Kitchener; Mary and Mark Bond, Matthew,
Stephen, Kevin, Christina, and Timothy; Colleen and Howard Blundell,
Ashley and Amanda, from Kitchener; Joseph White of Kitchener; Madonna
White and Ludwig Zeiger; Dorothy Bellinger; Carl & Liz White
of Kitchener; Rick and Jan Nicholson, Julie and Kelly of Waterloo;
Clarence and Irene Kuntz of St. Clements; Bill and Sheila Lobsinger
of Waterloo; Joan O'Donnell of Waterdown; Jean Chute of Cambridge;
Len and Teresa Walsh of Brantford; Kevin and Nadine White of Kitchener;
Leonard Lobsinger of Kitchener; Mrs. Dorothy Scott of Waterloo;
Larry and Eileen Lobsinger of Waterloo; Tom and Ann Wickie of Waterloo;
and Marjorie Kroeger of Cambridge.
we left anyone out, they didn't get time to sign in the book, and
we're sorry! It's difficult to meet and remember that many newpeople
in such a short time.
everyone there was a descendent of either Peter - my line - or Louis.
Irene and Clarence
Kuntz pose with Bob Lobsinger during the family get-together at
Churchill Park in Cambridge in June. Over 30 families were represented
by the group, many of whom had never met each other before.
storms brewed in the afternoon, the group broke up and we headed
up to Bruce County where we stayed with John and Dolores (Lobsinger)
Schmidt in Mildmay. Dolores is a second cousin. She and John took
us around to many of the Mildmay Lobsingers, including a short visit
to Amelia (Lobsinger) Detzler who was in the hospital. She is my
grandfather Luke Lobsinger's only sister. One highlight of the visit
was a tour of the home of August Lobsinger, now owned by Robert
and Rose Marie (Lobsinger) Heisz. It was originally a log home with
mortar joints which her grandfather August built. They have beautifully
renovated the property and it is a showplace, but with touches of
the Lobsinger family lingering on. Accents in the house include
antiques of August's time and some of his original furnishings.
One bathroom wall has been stripped back to the original logs and
mortar for a great accent and reminder of harsher times. After we
got back home, we found out that the day after we visited, a truck
lost control and came crashing through the front room of the house.
left, and her sisters Joan Luciani and Ann Margrett, and a cousin,
Irene Lobsinger of Brantford were responsible for organizing the
picnic. Teresa is shown here with Bob and Sue Lobsinger at the Bell
Homestead, one of the many attractions in Brantford that the "Okie"
Lobsingers enjoyed visiting while in Ontario.
in Mildmay, we were invited to speak to the Rotary Club by John
Hafermehl, editor of the Mildmay Town Crier. We asked him what we
should talk about, and he said it didn't matter - they just wanted
to listen to our Okie accent. For our efforts, they gave us a recently
published book on the history of Bruce County and Mildmay, outlining
land ownership since the beginning of time. Many Lobsingers have
their niche in history noted in that book, and we appreciated receiving
and Dolores invited us to Sauble Beach where they have a cabin on
the lake, where we spent almost a day and a half walking the beaches,
boating, feeding chipmunks, and generally goofing off. It was the
most relaxing time of the entire trip.
there were other things to see and do. We headed to OwenSound and
visited a marine museum, and then headed into the jaws of Toronto
to meet Tony Lang.
is a biologist at the University of Toronto, working on his Ph.D.
and teaching. He's from the House of Peter. He and his lovely wife
Sarogini took time away from their busy schedules to show us the
high spots of downtown Toronto - the river front and markets, the
world's tallest structure, the Sky Dome, China Town, the campus,
Government buildings, museums, and even the Scientology Dianetics
Center! We also tested some of the many fine restaurants in the
area. It's great to have a guide, as thetraffic is overwhelming
in Toronto. After a couple of days, we were quite ready to head
back south to Newkirk, where we only have one stop light.
Virginia Lobsinger Moore, 69, of McAlester, OK., died (09 March
1989) at McAlester Regional Hospital. Funeral services were at 2
pm the following Saturday at Greenwood funeral Home, Fort Worth,
TX., She laid in state at Mills Funeral Home, McAlester, until noon
Friday. Interment was at Greenwood Memorial Park cemetery, Fort
Worth, TX. Arrangements were under the direction of Mills Funeral
Moore was born May 21, 1919 at Belleville, IL., the daughter of
Lawrence Lobsinger and Elsie Conley Lobsinger. She and James Moore
were married Nov. 30, 1941 at Belleville. They came to Oklahoma
from Texas in December, 1988. She was employed as a sales auditor
with Montgomery Wards, Fort Worth, until her retirement.
include her husband James Moore of the home; a daughter and son-in-law,
Marcia and John McClellan ofMcAlester; a sister Carrie Mae Paxon
of Belleville; three brothers, James Paxon, Jr. of San Antonio,
TX., Verne Lobsinger of Largo, FL., and Leslie Lobsinger of O'Fallen,
IL., and two grandchildren, Diana Renee Brewer and John Maurice
McClellan, Jr., both of McAlester.
Moore was preceded in death by a sister, Dorothy Bechtolt, and both
The Mail Bag
& Irene Kuntz of St. Clements, On., sent us a photograph of
their family of Lobsinger descendents from the House of Louis which
is enlarged somewhere in this issue. We enjoyed meeting Clarence
while in Ontario in June. He is the son of Elizabeth Petronella
Lobsinger Kuntz, a daughter of Louis. Clarence and Irene (Reitzel)
have a mess of grown children - Joe, Bill, Ray, Dan, Laverne, Rosie,
Julia, Charlie, Annie, and Corah (or maybe it's Carol).
Kuntz Family: (Top down) Joe, Bill, Ray, Dan, Laverne, Rosie, Julia,
Charlie, Annie, and Corah (or maybe it's Carol), Clarence and Irene.
Clarence is a son of Elizabeth Petronella Lobsinger Kuntz who was
the daughter of Louis Lobsinger who was a son of Count Joseph.
tradition in the Kuntz household has it that Louis Lobsinger came
first to Louisiana and made his way to St. Agatha where he got married
to Katherine Gehl where they lived for a time before moving north
to Bruce County with everything they owned including the livestock.
One child was born along the way, and they finally settled in Carlsruhe
where they had 18 children.
story roughly corresponds to other family legends... Louis was a
youngster born in France, the son of Count Joseph, who traveled
from Louisiana to Canada with his Father, Joseph, who settled in
St. Agatha. (House of Louis)
a request from David Lobsinger of Smiths Falls, On., for a subscription
to the newsletter, which we are pleased to supply. After much searching,
we re-located David on our charts. He's the son of Aegidus Mathius
(Giles) Lobsinger and Evelyn (Hyslop). Giles is the son of Anthony
L. Lobsinger and Annie (Stroeder). Anthony was a son of Louis Lobsinger
and Katherina (Gehl). Louis was a son of "Count" Joseph.
David and wife Tara (Bell) have three children, Ashley, Katherine,
and Ceili Josephine. (House of Louis)
got to meet Dr. William and Sheila E. Lobsinger of Waterloo, On.,
in June, and a nice letter arrived from Sheila when we got back.
They would like to have their son Mark W.B. Lobsinger in Vancouver,
B.C. added to the mailing list. Their oldest son Jim Lobsinger is
a resident of Calgary, AB., but is currently working as a petroleum
geologist in Benghazi, Libya. His 2 year contract will be up in
December 1991. Jim married a nurse over there, and Dr. Bill and
Sheila are looking forward to meeting her when they return. (House
(right), the first president of the Mildmay (ON.) Sacred Heart Catholic
Women's League back in 1961, helped mark the organization's 30th
Anniversary on June 6th. At left is the 1991 president, Barb Metcalfe.
(Mildmay Crier Photo)
Bartolome of Mission, B.C. sent a newsy letter including the new
address of her daughter, Mrs. Beverley Monk, so we can reinstate
her on our mailing list. She and her husband are building a new
house in Summerland, B.C.
went to Regina, SK., in March and April to attend her grandson's
graduation from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police training center.
Her grandson, John Carlson, is now posted to Blairemore, AB.
also went to Saskatoon, SK., and visited with family members there
before heading on to Calgary, AB., to visit her son Don Bertolome
and his wife Maureen and three children.
back home, she and her sisters Ruby Chase and Rita McDonnell got
together for several days to relive earlier times. They are looking
forward to a family reunion this summer. Marie is a daughter of
Louis George (Stephen) Lobsinger and Ottillia Voisin. Louis George
was a son of George, the youngest son of Count Joseph. (House of
Sparks of Tulsa, OK is still trying to find someone who has some
information on Mollie Barlow Lobsinger. All I know about Mollie
is that she married Louis Josef (Jacque) Lobsinger, a son of Antoine
Lobsinger and Margarethe Eversgerth. Antoine was a brother of Count
Joseph, and settled in the St. Louis, Mo. area. Anyone out there
have anything else on the Barlow family? If so, I'll be happy to
relay it to Ann. (House of Antoine)
Joan Belknap is a new
name on our mailing list from the House of Joseph Carl Lobsinger.
She is the daughter of Alphonse Michael Mier, a son of Barbara Elizabeth
Lobsinger Mier, who was a daughter of Joseph Carl, a son of Count
Lobsinger Mier, photo taken in 1893, in West Branch, Michigan, when
she was 18 years old. Barbara was a daughter of Joseph Carl Lobsinger,
whose picture is at the top of this issue. Photo courtesy of Barbara
Blancher, Miami, FL.
received a copy of the newsletter from her aunt in Florida, and
wrote us to get on the list. She sent us some information about
her branch of the family that we used to fill in some gaps in that
family tree. Next, we hope to get more information about her immediate
family and bring everything up to the current generation. (House
Gertrude Ludwig of Peterborough, ON., writes that she received the
package of back newsletters we sent earlier at her request. She
asked that we put her mother and a cousin on the list. So we're
pleased to add Mrs. Catherine Ludwig of Estevan, SK., and (guess
what...?) Clarence and Irene Kuntz (see above) to the list.
Gertrude is a daughter of Catherine Emma Fornwald Ludwig, a daughter
of Catherine (Kate) Lobsinger Fornwald, a daughter of Louis Lobsinger
and Katherina Gehl.
Gertrude reports that her grandmother Catherine Lobsinger corresponded
with Andrew Fornwald and they arranged to meet and were married
in North Dakota. After the birth of their first three children,
the couple moved to Saskatchewan where they homesteaded in Alameda
District. The Fornwald farm was 2 miles south of Browning, SK and
the Ludwig farm is still five miles north of Browning, even though
the hamlet itself has disappeared. Her brothers still farm in the
area, but the nearest town now is Lampman, 15 miles from the home
and Henry Ludwig retired and moved to Estevan, SK., about 1959 and
Henry died in 1962. Mrs. Ludwig recently celebrated her 86th birthday
with several family members. There will be a Ludwig family reunion
this summer at Lampman, SK.
Luella Lee and Irma
Toffler with niece Mary Kay Mier.
Toffler of Coral Gables, FL., has been helping us update the family
tree of Joseph Carl Lobsinger, and she also sent us a photo of her
parents at their 50th Wedding Anniversary in 1944. She is the daughter
of Barbara Elisabeth Lobsinger Mier and Michael Mier - the photo
is in here somewhere. Barbara Elisabeth Mier was a daughter of Joseph
Carl Lobsinger, a son of Count Joseph.
Earlier on, Irma sent
us a tintype of Joseph Carl, which we will also reproduce in this
issue. As far as we know, it is the only photo in existence of this
son of Count Joseph. (House of Joseph)
Elisabeth Lobsinger Mier and her husband Michael Mier after their
Golden Wedding Anniversary on April 10, 1943. Photo courtesy of
Irma Toffler, Coral Gables, FL.
are still trying to sort out another branch of the clan... Mrs.
Vera K. Barthel of Freeburg, IL., got our name from Mrs. Leo Lobsinger
in Belleville, IL.. Her grandfather, Jean Nicolas Klein came from
Lothringen, France in 1854 on the ship Mulhouse from Havre to New
Orleans, arriving 24 April.
ship's log, and Klein's marriage license list Marguerite Lobsinger
as his wife, and several children: Louise, Celestine, Marguerite,
George, and Auguste.
died and a Michael Germain was appointed guardian of the children.
what happened next is still murky, and we're trying to get it all
sorted out. In the meantime, we have been able to place them in
the family tree: Vera Klein Barthel is the daughter of George Richard
Klein, the son of George Klein, Sr., (from France), the son of Marguerite
Lobsinger Klein, the daughter of Sebastien Lobsinger, the son of
Charles Lobsinger, the son of Etienne Lobsinger, the son of Nicolas
Lobsinger, the son of the first known Lobsinger of Langatte, France
born about 1678.
all of the rest of us Lobsinger descendents in the US and Canada
descend from another son of Etienne Lobsinger, a fellow named Antoine,
who was the first to carry the title of "Count" in the
keep working on what happened to all of these descendents after
they arrived and sooner or later they will all come together. In
the meantime, "Welcome to the Club!" (House of Etienne
- for lack of a better system at the moment)
Smith of Pittsburg, KS., is related to Vera Barthel (above) and
is also interested in the Lobsinger connection. She is the great3
granddaughter of Marguerite Lobsinger Klein. She and Vera are comparing
notes and research, and both want on the mailing list.
brother Byron Lobsinger of Lake Worth, FL sent me his bi-annual
epistle and seems to be doing well. He works for UPS, and he and
wife Christine have two youngsters, Stephen 2, and Shaun 6.
and most of the rest of my immediate family live within a few blocks
of each other down there in the sunny (hot, sticky, muggy, etc)
south, but they seem to love it. They all seem to be doing well,
including Dad (John Ross Lobsinger) who has been ill, but is now
feeling good enough that he and Mom bought a van and headed up to
the Carolinas for a vacation. The two things I rather miss about
Florida are the ritual breakfast gatherings of the clan at a local
cafe, and those delicious Hayden mangos that grow in the front yard!
(House of Peter)
France comes notice that Nadine and Nicolas Kressmann have a new
baby named Julien, born 15 May 1991. Nadine is the daughter of Jacqueline
(Ohmer) and Rene Camille Pfrunner. Jacqueline is the daughter of
Alice Elisabeth Holtz and Eugene Joseph Ohmer. Alice is the daughter
of Marie Catherine Grandcolas and Jean Nicolas Holtz. Marie Catherine
is the daughter of Marie Lobsinger and Dominique Grandcolas. Marie
Lobsinger is the daughter of Pierre Lobsinger. Pierre Lobsinger,
who stayed in France, was a brother of "Count" Joseph,
Michael, and Antoine Lobsinger; all of whom moved to the new world.
(House of Pierre)
(Lobsinger) Chase says she was particularly interested in the sketch
of the Greek ruins at Mycenae. She says Mark Lobsinger did a terrific
job drawing the sketch while he was there last year. Ruby is quite
a traveler in her own right, and has visited all but two countries
in the world! She says she has a postcard in her scrapbook of the
exact spot Mark sketched. She was there for a month in June of 1979
on a cruise through the area including Yugoslavia, Greece, and Turkey.
also reports her "baby" brother Lorne Lobsinger and wife
Elly spent 3 months during last winter down "south" somewhere.
Her son Barry and his wife will be going to Greece and the Islands
from August 23 thru September 30. Her daughter Penny and her family
are busy at home remodeling their kitchen.
says she only took two cruises last year, because "they're
getting so expensive - and besides, I'm running out of world to
see." (House of George)
Lobsinger of Dearborn, MI., says he had a heart problem awhile back
and spent a week or so in the hospital, but is doing better now.
Says they give him a mess of pills to take, and he wants to know
when he can start playing hockey again. Clarence is very proud of
the success of his two children and mentions them often when he
writes. Son Michael is a computer "master", and daughter
Maureen (Keane) has her Ph.D. in microbiology and is writing a book
on the subject. She has one son, too. Named Michael, of course.
Lane of Arnold, MO., writes that her aunt, Virginia (Lobsinger)
Moore of McAlester, OK., passed away last year and we were unaware
of that. Her obit is elsewhere. Carol is the daughter of Leslie
Lorenzo Lobsinger, son of Lorenz Joseph Lobsinger, son of Joseph
Nicolas Lobsinger, son of Joseph Lobsinger, son of Michael Lobsinger
who was one of the three brothers who moved here from Langatte,
France. Virginia Moore was a sister of Leslie Lorenzo. Carol also
tells us that Virgina's mother was not Goldie Jackson, but Elsie
Conley Paxson, who was married at one time to her grandfather. She
straightened us out on a few other things we needed to know to get
our records right.
Lobsinger of Denver, CO., and Apache Junction, AZ., writes that
he knows what happened to Helen (Lobsinger) Kayser as she is his
daughter. Her copy of the last newsletter came back to us.
she has moved from Colorado to sunnier territory and now lives in
Apache Junction. We appreciate the address update! (House of Antoine)
we're on the Arizona members of the clan, I should mention that
I received a letter from brother Jim Lobsinger of Peoria. Actually,
he wrote my son Mike, but said hello to the rest of us. Jim is an
electrical engineer with Honeywell. He and wife Jody (Roberts) have
two kidlings, Jimmy and David. (House of Peter)
J. Lobsinger sends us an almost complete picture of the children
of Joseph L. Lobsinger, the son of Peter. Earlier, we printed a
similar version, but since they are kind of rare, we'll reprint
this one too.
of the "second" family of Joseph L. Lobsinger, son of
Peter: From left, Amelia, Leonard, Pat, Charlie, Raymond, Pete,
Joe, Philip, Alex, and Jack Lobsinger. Not shown are Luke (who moved
to Florida), and Richard (died as an infant). These were all children
of Catherine Beitz Lobsinger. Joseph L's first family by Mary Grossman
consisted of Frank X, Margaret Adelma, Caroline, Catherine, and
Joseph (also died infant). Does anyone have a photo of the first
family? This one is courtesy of Richard J. Lobsinger, Warren, MI.
also sends information on his children, which we needed to complete
his branch of the tree.
Rinck is back in the business of unscrambling the Lobsinger lines,
and he writes that he was able to help Vera Barthel by providing
quite a bit of information common to both of them. I'm anxious to
find out what it is. He also sent us a correction to one of our
another French Lobsinger Cross, courtesy of Mme. Odette Meyer of
Langatte, France. This one is in Gosselming, north of Haut-Clocher,
just east of Langatte. Hope the picture reproduces satisfactorily.
Cross is known as the Gosselming Cross #3 (Photo courtesy of Mme
Odette Meyer, Langatte, France, via Charles E. Rinck of Collinsville,
IL.) Translation reads: Said place "Dresgarten" cross,
situated in the corner of Rue des Carrieres - Grand 'Rue' and inscribed
as follows: Erected by Francois Risy and Marguerite Lobsinger 1891.
300 days of indulgence for those who recite here 5 Our Fathers and
5 Hail Mary prayers. Francois Risy, born Feb. 25, 1815, married
a Marguerite Lobsinger at Bettborn, Feb. 2, 1843, and died Mar.
3, 1895. Marguerite died Sep. 3, 1891. They had two children, Marguerite,
born Dec. 2, 1843 and never married, and Nicolas, born Apr. 2, 1846,
who married Marguerite Hacquard.
and Lois Lobsinger of Stratford, On., write that they enjoy the
newsletter and sent word of the latest changes in their family...
Their son Garry Daniel Lobsinger was married on 03 Feb 1990 to Sherri
Hamilton who's 7 year old daughter Erin is now Erin Lobsinger. Garry
and Sherri now have another child, Benjamin Daniel, born May 9,
1991. (House of Louis)
Leonard and Jean Lobsinger of Sarnia write that they read in the
Mildmay Town Crier where I had visited the Mildmay Rotary Club while
we were up there. I don't remember what I said at the meeting, but
it must have stopped the presses, as my copy was 2 weeks late getting
here! We didn't get over to Sarnia on this trip... just not enough
time to go everywhere. But Dr. Leonard - who is my only great uncle
- invites us to take a tour of the St. Clair River on our next trip,
and we're looking forward to that. (House of Peter)
Lee Lobsinger, 13 year old daughter of Bruce and Julie Lobsinger
of East Amherst, NY writes that her family was visiting the Historical
Dunkirk Lighthouse and Veterans Museum in Dunkirk, New York when
she found the name of John Forman Lobsinger in the book of missing
or deceased persons of the Vietnam War. Jenny says the book lists
John Lobsinger as a U.S. Army Specialist Fourth Class, who was born
on April 18, 1949 and was killed in action on January 23, 1968.
He is buried in St. Louis Park, MN. His name is also on the Vietnam
Veteran's Memorial on panel 35E, line 16.
is some confusion, I think, over John's middle name. It was previously
reported to us as "Dillon", but the rest of the information
is pretty much the same. He is the only Lobsinger known to have
been killed in the Vietnam War. He is supposed to have a brother
named Donald, but we don't have any other information on him, and
little on the rest of the family.
(Forman or Dillon) Lobsinger was the son of Harvey D. Lobsinger
of Edina, MN., and Sally Cardner. Harvey was the son of Clarence
L. Lobsinger and Mildred Muehl of Wayne, MI. Clarence was the son
of Simon Lobsinger and Pauline Good of Detroit, MI. And Simon was
the son of Peter Lobsinger and Maria Anne Meyer. Peter was a son
of Count Joseph. (House of Peter)
and Teresa Walsh sent some snapshots they took while we were visiting
in Ontario this June. If we have room, we'll try to print a few.
I was too busy talking, and didn't take many pictures, so was glad
to receive them. (House of Louis)
a card from Lorne and Elly Lobsinger from Okanagan Lake Provincial
Park north of Summerland, BC. Lorne and Elly spend their time in
grand fashion touring the many beautiful spots of BC and the western
states. We're trying to tease them out to Oklahoma on their next
trip south, but he keeps telling me he's already seen dust. Next
summer, we hope to head back out his direction when we get our measly
10 days off from the rat race. (House of George)
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