1 No. 2 - January 1988
Link Uncovered -
Major New World Lobsinger Families
Have Common Ancestor Of Langatte, France
of the major New World Lobsinger family groups can now be linked
together and placed under a common ancestor, thanks to the detective
work of Gilles Pfrunner of Lingolsheim, France and John and Dolores
Schmidt of Mildmay, Ontario.
until their information was forwarded to this newsletter, neither
knew the significance of their discovery.
Lobsinger was born in 1804, and married in 1829. By 1833, he had
three children all born in Langatte, France. Sometime between 1833
and 1836, he moved his family to Canada where he settled in the
New Easthope Township in Ontario. His 4th child was born in 1836.
About this time Joseph must have returned to France, because in
1837, he brought his younger brother Antoine over and settled him
in the St. Louis, Missouri area.
returned to Canada, where his family increased in size again with
the birth of three more children in 184O, 1842, and c1844. In 1848
Joseph became a Naturalized citizen of Canada, and in 1850 he made
another round trip to France to bring another of his younger brothers,
Michel, to the new world. Michel settled in the Belleville, Ill,
area., and Joseph returned to Canada and his own family.
connection between the Canadians and the Americans was obscured
because no one on the Canadian side knew Joseph's exact birth date
or the name of his wife
after Joseph left the St. Louis area, no one in the American group
ever heard of him again. The only thing he left behind was the rumor
that some relatives had disappeared in Canada.
a descendent of another of Joseph's brothers (Pierre), sent us information
that Joseph was married in October 1829 to Marie Anne Weber.
and Dolores Schmidt uncovered information from St Jerome's College
archives that the Canadian Joseph was married to... guess who...
Marie Anne Weber.
to Pfrunner, Joseph had three children in Langatte: Jean Louis,
Michel, and Joseph.
of the Canadian Joseph's children were reportedly born in France;
Louis, Peter, and Joseph.
of birth match. Parents names match. Two of the three children's
names match., and the birthdate of the other matches to the day.
The child called Peter in Canada should be the same as Michel of
Langatte. Maybe his full name was Michel Pierre (Peter), or Pierre
is looking into the matter, and will try to resolve this bit of
confusion, but with the matching dates and same wife's name, it
is almost certain that the Canadian Joseph and the American Joseph
were the same person.
all of the Lobsingers in the New World descend from one of the fam
flies that began here due to the influence of Joseph, through his
brothers Michael and Antoine who started the American branches of
the family, or through his children Louis, Peter, Joseph, Anthony,
Paul, Louise, and George, who founded branches of the Canadian family.
Louise didn't found a branch of the Lobsinger family. She married
a guy named Arnold and helped him out a bunch. But that's another
the descendants of the St. Louis branch of the family is a persistent
rumor that Joseph was a Count. Thanks to Mr. Pfrunner, we have also
been able to chase that story back to its roots, and you can read
about it elsewhere in this newsletter.
was the son of Jean Louis Lobsinger (a day laborer) and Louise Ohmer.
Jean Louis Lobsinger was the son of Antoine Lobsinger and Elisabeth
Muller. Antoine Lobsinger was the son of Etienne Lobsinger and Nicole
Eslinger. Etienne Lobsinger was the son of Nicolas Lobsinger and
Anne Marie Hoesch.
Lobsinger was born about 167X, and died on X April 1732 in Langatte,
France. This is as far back as we can trace the Lobsinger family
by direct relationships.
How Count Joseph Lobsinger Received His Noble Title.
are persistent rumors that somewhere in antiquity a Lobsinger held
the title of Count.
a Count is a title of lesser nobility designating a companion or
administrator. A Count is the French equivalent of a British Earl.
European correspondent from the House of Pierre (Gilles Pfrunner)
reports that he may have discovered the mysterious Count and the
reasons for his appointment to that lofty position.
it isn't all that heroic, so if you just want to go on believing
the romantic stories about fire breathing dragons and damsels in
distress, that's fine too.
that in the history of the town of Langatte, France there is a chapter
relating to a long remembered parish priest, the Cure Noir.
time is about 1770, nearing lhe final third of the reign of King
Louis XIV, when the King taxed the country as a whole... and the
local nobility taxed their domain... and the church taxed what was
left. Everyone with title was exempt from the tax' so that left
most of us commoners to pay the hills.
way out of this situation was to marry into a better position, and
Antoine Lobsinger (son of Etienne, son of Nicolas) managed to do
just that. He married Elisabeth Muller, who was the niece of Cure'
Nicolas Noir of Langatte.
good Cure' managed to amass rather ample wealth during his tour
as Shepherd of Langatte due to the tithe, which was at that time
not a voluntary donation.
had to collect it. That somebody turned out to be good old faithful
Antoine Lobsinger. (There are bureaucrats and tax collectors in
everybody's family, so don't despair!)
did such a commendable job of administering the earthly domain of
the curé that before long his wealth multiplied and he purchased
more land and hired more servants.
harvests were so copious that he could not stock all his produce
in the presbytery, so he stored the excess in a house he owned called
the "Langacker", where Antoine and his family lived.
then, he was forced to build another home to hold his wealth.
must have done his job well. He was richly rewarded for his efforts,
and it is said that at one time, he could go from his house to the
church, which is situated an eight minute walk away, without ever
leaving his estate. He was administrator for Noir, and collected
the tithe, religiously, so to speak.
before Noir died, he left much of his fortune to his nieces. Antoine's
wife Elisabeth became a wealthy woman, and as was the custom of
the times, Antoine became known as "Grof, Grof", a nickname
that means, "Count, Count!"
the fortune was largely squandered by relatives, so the story goes,
and the Count did not feel himself too rich to marry off one of
his daughters (Marguerite) to one of his servants.
servant was a man called Jean Kennel who had worked in Saint Jean
de Danel before coming to Langatte to work for Lobsinger.
1784, there followed the Cure' Noir a cure' named Michel Klein.
Cure' Noir built some rooms onto the east side of the Langacker
for the Cure' Klein to occupy. These rooms are still known as the
"Closet". A woman named Barbe Stein who died in 1872 was
still called by the nickname "Kammer Magt" which means
"Closet Maid" because her mother was a servant of Elisabeth
Muller Lobsinger and was the nurse of her children.
"Langacker" eventually fell into disrepair standing between
the old and the new presbytery. Over the years it was rented to
tenants of all kinds from Langatte or elsewhere.
day the old house sold at a low price to Antoine Hesse and his wife,
who were very poor until they decided to strip out the old floor
in the "Langacker" and discovered the hidden treasure
of Cure Noir underneath it.
was it treasure hidden from the Cure' Noir?? Herr Hesse and wife
were not particular how it got there, but were pleased upon finding
it. They sold the place and bought a good house. And thus slipped
away the first known Lobsinger fortune!
same "Langacker" home is the one reported in the last
newsletter as belonging to Antoine. Mr. Pfrunner points out that
Antoine lived there as the administrator of the Cure Noir. It isn't
clear if Antoine ever actually owned the property.
the lintel of a door in the home is the inscription, "Antoine
Lobsinger 1806". Pfrunner speculates that Antoine's children
must have added the inscription later, as Antoine died in 1803.
name "Langacker" refers to the name of the farmland in
Count" Antoine Lobsinger died in 1803 under somewhat curious
conditions for a man of his means.
death certificate indicates he was found frozen to death near the
farm of Sainte Croix! This farm is situated near the village of
Rhodes, clear on the other side of a rather large pond used as a
the Count Count done in by the cold and impoverished citizens of
the territory on one of his tithe collecting excursions?
the villages of France at the time, it was the custom to nickname
the more famous or infamous of their citizens. Hence, Antoine became
"Grof, Grof', and Barbe Stein was known as the "Kammer
Magt". Often these nicknames became permanent titles not only
belonging to the original individual, but also to his or her descendants.
first surviving male child of "Count Count" Antoine was
a fellow named Jean Louis Lobsinger who married Louise Ohmer. We
can presume that custom was followed, and he carried the title of
Count, although this is mere speculation.
do know that Jean Louis' first born male child was Joseph Lobsinger,
known in Langatte as "Grof Jeppel"...the Count Joseph.,
grandson of "Grof, Grof".
we know he married Marie Anne Weber; brought two of his younger
brothers (Michel and Antoine Jean Michel) to the area of St. Louis,
Mo., and settled himself and his family near St. Agatha in Ontario,
is from Grof Jeppel... Count Joseph Lobsinger and his two brothers
... that nearly all of us in the New World descend.
interesting side-bar to this story is what happened to the title
of "Count" after Joseph settled in Canada? Most likely,
it got lost in all of the hard work of trying to survive. But suppose,
for fun, the title had been carried forward through the eldest male
heirs. Who would have it today?
how it comes down: Joseph's firstborn male child was Ludovicus or
Jean Louis, depending on whether you speak French or German. So
the title would flow to the House of Louis.
Louis' firstborn male child was Anthony L. Lobsinger, born March
7, 1858. So this steam engineer at the Knechted Furniture Factory
in Hanover, Ontario could have claimed title as a Count.
and his wife Annie Stroeder had 7 children of their own, and the
firstborn male was Michael Joseph Lobsinger,born June 15,1895.The
title of Count could have fallen to him.
instead, he worked also in the furnituue factory, married Emily
Craig, and raised six or seven kids of his own, all without bragging
much about his noble blood. Today, Count Michael Joseph Lobsinger
lives quietly, retired, on Brunswick Street in Stratford, Ontario..
Lobsinger, Michael Joseph's eldest male child died while an infant;
and so the title will someday pass to Elmer Cletus Lobsinger, the
first surviving male child.
Cletus Lobsinger (didn't know you were in the nobility, did you
Elmer?) lives at 95 Julian Ave, in Hamilton, Ontario. He and his
wife Maureen Ireland have seven children: Patricia McConnell, Mary,
Margaret Turner, James, Robert, Anne, and Paul.
so, following tradition, the title of Count will someday fall to
James, the eldest male child of Elmer Cletus. James is a building
superintendent in Hamilton, Ontario, and is not married. So if there
are any Countesses out there, this guy's eligible...
I guess the end of this story is that while most of the rest of
us are just no-count Lobsingers, we're a pretty interesting bunch
Meteor Thunders Into Paul Lobsinger's Corn Field
has been for years a murky legend told from father to son about
a flaming meteor that crashed into the fIeld of a Lobsinger of antiquity,
and that this meteorite was polished and inscribed with the name
of it's finder and used as his tombstone.
story was told by unknown relatives in years past when I was a youngster
growing up in southern Florida. The names eluded me, and the places
faded with time, and the story became a shallow memory of no importance.
or four years ago, a friend asked if I was related to the Lobsinger
who was buried in the Braman (Oklahoma) cemetery. I was quite sure
I was the only Lobsinger who had ever crossed the Mississippi, and
assured the gentleman that he had mistaken the name.
there it was, carved in stone: Paul Lobsinger, born 1840, died 1907.
In the Braman cemetery, where one would least expect a Lobsinger.
Braman is a little wide spot in the road about 15 miles west of
Newkirk, Oklahoma, where I somehow ended up running a country weekly
newspaper. Newkirk is only a slightly wider spot in the road. To
find an isolated Lobsinger so close was a true surprise. Paul Lobsinger
started me on my search through the history of the Lobsinger family,
which has resulted in much of the fact and fiction found in this
Paul remained a mystery. Cemetery records showed only that Paul
Wise of Stillwater, Ok., was paying for the perpetual care of the
a bank executive, could shed little light on the origins of his
grandfather Paul Lobsinger, except to say that when old Paul was
farming in Illinois, a huge meteor crashed into his corn field.
with much help and equipment, dug the huge, extraordinarily heavy
rock from the field and kept it as a curiosity. It took block and
tackle, and a wagon to move the meteorite, but nevertheless, when
Paul decided to move to Oklahoma, the rock came with him. And when
Paul died, the rock was polished, Wise said, and used as his tombstone.
stole the tombstone in 195O, according toWise, so he replaced the
marker with one of more conventional origins.
Lobsinger was married to Katharina Otto. He was reportedly from
Canada, and moved south to avoid the cold due to respiratory ailments.
For a while, he farmed in Illinois, and then he moved farther south
to Oklahoma, where he also farmed and dealt in horses.The home he
built on the edge of Braman is still there, and still inhabited.
and Katharina had at least 8 children, but only one son named Edward,
who died young. Hence, the male line of Paul Lobsinger died in the
dust of the Oklahoma prairie.
they had many daughters, including a set of twins. One of these
twin girls was Matilda, who became the mother of Paul Wise.
of Paul's daughters was a girl named Mary Ann who married a man
named Franklin. Their son Oliver Franklin discovered the cure for
black leg, a cattle disease. The Franklin Laboratories still produce
veterinary products marketed throughout the central United States.
daughters of Paul and Katharina included Phoebe, Lavina, and Elizabeth.
Maybe others. One daughter reportedly eloped with a city slicker
from Kansas City, leaving her betrothed Braman beau behind. This
caused much social furor in the metropolis of Braman at the time.
But her elopement worked out well, as the young fellow she married
became a wealthy commodities broker, according to the rumors.
else is known of Paul or his descendants. Except for the musty meteorite
story, there was little to connect him to any of the rest of the
Lobsingers in the country. Then John and Dolores Schmidt found his
name and birthdate listed in some documents in Ontario. He was the
fifth child of Count Joseph Lobsinger, and obviously the family
renegade. He moved farther away and left fewer traces than any of
the others. If anyone has further information on what happened to
his daughters, we would be pleased to hear about them.(House of
Lobsinger died Sunday, July 26, 1987 at St. Mary's Hospital in Kitchener,
Ontario. He was 78 years old, and lived at 87 King St., E., St.
was a member of St. Clements Catholic Church, a member and past
president of the Holy name Society, a member of St. Clements volunteer
fire department for 35 years, and a former member of Wellesley Township
Council. He was one of the recipients of the Wellesley Township
Centennial Medal in 1967, coached minor and senior baseball and
hockey in St. Clements for 50 years, was a former member of the
St. Clements Community Center Board and was a veteran of the Second
World War. Mr. Lobsinger was retired from the Red and White Food
Markets in St. Clements.
was the beloved husband of Kathleen (Kay) Dietrich; father of Larry
and his wife Eileen, Tom and his wife Ronda, all of Waterloo, Pat
MacInnis of Elmira, Neil and his wife Ginny of St. Clements and
Linda and her husband Albert Woelfle of Jackson, Miss. He is also
lovingly remembered by his ten grandchildren and two sisters, Mrs.
Loretta Querin of Kitchener and Mrs. Irene Ottman of Hawksville.
was predeceased by his parents, Catherine Stumpf and Louis Lobsinger;
five brothers and two sisters. Interment
was in St. Clements RC cemetery, following services at St. Clements
Catholic Church. (House of Louis)
Valin, 72, died peacefully in his sleep sometime in October. Exact
date of death was not reported.
was the husband of Beulah McIntee of Pincher Creek, Alberta. He
was a pipefitter. His wife passed away in 1981. He is survived by
his motherin-law, Mrs Julietta Lobsinger McIntee, and four children,
Shirley Valen Smythe, Ron Valin, Kenneth Valin, and Lorne Valin.
and date of the funeral service were not reported. (House of Louis)
Firefighter Restores Old Firetruck
Al Lobsinger was a kid at school, teachers often chided him for
playing around with an alarm clock when he should have been concentrating
on his studies.
chiding the 44 year old St Catharines, Ontario, firefighter now.
His expertise in sheet metal work, taking things apart and reassembling
them is in great demand. Recently he carried out a tricky repair
on one of the fire department's aerial ladder trucks.
the 20 - year veteran firefighter's ingenuity is applied most often
in his garage workshop at his home on Linwell Road where his most
recent project is the complete restoration of a 1926 Gotfredson-Bickle
fire pumper he purchased last fall.
vehicle, thought to have gone into service in Merritton in 1926,
was sold by St. Catharines at amalgamation in 1960 to Louth Township
where junior firefighters used it as a training vehicle. Later it
was sold to a man in Thorold, who in turn sold it to Mr. Lobsinger.
the pumper, Mr. Lobsinger now owns the original brass bell from
the pumper. It was presented to Merritton Fire Chief Art Tuckwell
when he retired in the 1960's.
his death, son Tom Tuckwell inherited the 65 pound bell. Later,
he gave it to his brother, Ron, who married Al Lobsinger's sister.
Christmas, after Mr. Lobsinger had purchased the pumper, his brother-in-law
and sister made the bell a welcome surprise gift. "It
has to be sent away to be rechromed," he said, adding that
in total there's about $5,000 worth of rechroming to be done on
public has already had a look at the old pumper. This fall, it was
an entry in the Merritton Labor Day parade and the Pied Piper Parade.
the vehicle is in excellent condition, it will take another couple
of years to completely refurbish it. Mr. Lobsinger, who already
has all the parts he needs for the job (many of which were taken
from a 1926 Gotfredson pumper original with the Scarborough Fire
Department), is hoping area residents who may have oldphotographs
of the old Merritton pumper will come forward and help him in faithfully
reproducing the extensive gold-leaf lettering and fancy striping
for which the manufacturer was so well known.
far, Mr Lobsinger has re-done the seat and changed the differential.
The pumper has to be taken apart completely and everything re-done,
he says, from the six cylinder Buda motor to the wiring system and
tricky part is going to be the dual ignition which has a distributor
and a magneto which both fire spontaneously," he explained.
Lobsinger's wife, Kathleen, is just as enthusiastic about the project
and proudly shows photographs of antique car restorations they've
undertaken over the years. The family team includes daughter Sherry,16,
and son Mark,13,who pitch in to help their dad with sanding and
other duties. Mrs. Lobsinger smilingly admitted her husband has
a disassembled 1964 T-Bird in the attic of the house. "Heaven
only knows what else he's got in the garage attic," she added.
antique vehicles began almost as a game in 1980 when Mr. Lobsinger
restored the 1964 T-Bird he bought and drove from 1966. "When
I finished with that one I was looking for something to do,"
he said. "I bought a 1926 Ford (Model-T) roadster, then a 1927
(Model-T) coupe and later a 1946 Willys jeep."
a member of the Historical Automobile Society of Canada, Mr. Lobsinger
knows only too well the value of his antique vehicles, but he can't
bring himself to sell any of them. As he explained: "There's
so much of me goes into these vehicles that I just can't part with
them." (House of Peter)
by Tom McCarthy, St. Catharines Standard staff writer.)
G. Lobsinger Was Golden Hammer Award Winner In 50s
people are born with a silver spoon . Some work all their life for
a gold watch. But
a Golden Hammer?
G. Lobsinger, son of George William the Turnkey, spent 60 years
in the hardware business, much of it in Sandborn, North Dakota.
During that time he sold a lot of Estwing solid steel hammers with
leather handle grips. For his efforts, he was awarded a full size
14 karat gold-plated Estwing hammer mounted on a polished, beautifully
Lobsinger was one fo the few qualifying to be so honored by the
Estwing manufacturing Co., of Rockford, Illinois. The
award was presented sometime in the 1950s, according to Dorothy
(Todd) Lobsinger, wife of Joseph G's late son Raymond. She sent
us a clipping from the Sandborn newspaper which recorded the event.
G died at the age of 91 in 1960. The clipping, and picture '(which
unfortunately won't reproduce well enough to use here) was found
among the possessions of his son Raymond, who died in 1958.
Lobsinger now lives in Van Nuys, California, where she and Raymond
moved about 1950. She has three children, Jill Sweet, Carol, and
Raymond, all living in California.; and at least one grand daughter
as of last count. (House of George)
Lobsinger's Self Defense Video
Making Life Tough On Muggers
woman walks to her car, fumbling in her puuse for her keys. She
doesn't notice the strange man watching her and isn't even aware
as another man approaches and grabs her from behind.
late. She struggles, tries to scream as he shoves her inside his
waiting car. They disappear and the parking lot is empty now, save
for her set of keys on the ground.
like the opening scene of a B-grade thriller, doesn't it? But you
don't have to be in Hollywood to make a movie, and if Flushing (Michigan)
resident Lou Lobsinger and his buddy Harlon Rose are writing it,
that scene would play quite differently. "Techniques for Women
in Self Defense" is the new video produced by Lobsinger and
written by Rose. The
video stars a local news anchor, plays for 30 minutes and teaches
women how to turn just such a situation around.
the Lobsinger production, the woman discourages the first potential
attacker with a steady glare and the use of a technique called the
"power walk," a confident stride and demeanor designed
to intimidate a would-be assailant. Her
second attacker at the car is dealt a quick blow by the woman, who
runs to safety screaming "Fire!"-a cry that is more likely
to gain attention than "Help," according to Lobsinger.
videotape is designed to teach women several things, including the
fact that the best weapon is to assume an attitude that they don't
intend to become victims. The tape also shows simple self-defense
tape is sold locally in several towns in Michigan, and is being
marketed nationally through Thompson Distributors of Utah.. Rose
is the martial arts expert in the project Lobsinger, who has a background
in communications, coordinated the technical aspects of the video.
Several police departments use copies of the tape in their Neighborhood
Watch and other crime prevention programs.
he's not producing video tapes, Louis Lobsinger is an insuranceman
with Security First Associated Agency in Flint, Michigan. He and
his wife Martha (Aguilar) have 4 children: Louis, Jr; David, Catherine,
and Elizabeth. Louis is the son of Joseph Henry Lobsinger and Florence
Smith., all descendants of the Canadian House of Louis
interested in procuring a copy of "Techniques forWomen in Self
Defense" can contact Lou at G-3526 Miller Road, Flint Michign
48507. Phone 313 732-5800. Cost is $14.95.
an interesting bit of Lobsinger memorabilia, and an acclaimed documentary
in its own right. Dennis R. Martin, president of the American Federation
of Police calls it a tape "Every woman in America should have...
for their own personal safety." (House of Louis)
Lobsinger Plays Trumpet At Orange Bowl
Lobsinger, daughter of Bob & SueLobsinger of Newkirk, Ok,plays
trumpet with the Oklahoma University band and is to perform with
the band at the Orange Bowl in Miami, Fl, on New Years Day. (House
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